Guldfisksagan slut

**Danjel** · 23 August 2002, 10:25

Hej

Jag hade ett par slöjstjärtar som dog för mig för ett par år sen.
ingen visste riktigt heller vad det kunde vara, jag hörde någon som pratade om simblåseförlamning, men jag hittar inte den sjukdomen någonstans när jag letat efter den. vad är det för typ av sjukdom? har den kanske ett annat namn också?

/Danjel

**whisse** · 02 September 2002, 13:14

jag vet inget om den heller... Men min fisk var först sjuk på så sätt att han inte kunde simma, sen gick det över med medicin men helt plötsligt så blev han som en krok och kunde bara simma runt runt. Låg mest på botten och slöade...
berättade "symptomen" för en som jobbar med fiskar och han sa att det mest troligt var simblåseförlamning...

**Nova** · 02 June 2003, 08:31

Klart att de små vännerna ska ha begravning.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Mvh Denise

Denise Lorentzson <img src=extra_smilie_fish2_happy.gif border=0 align=middle>

**cri** · 02 June 2003, 10:31

Hej Agneta,

Jag har tittat runt på nätet men inte hittat något som liknar simblåseförlamning... Inte gett up ännu. Möjligtvis kan det som står här nedan om att simblåsan var förstörd redan innan du köpte din fisk vara orsaken. Problemen kan tydligen komma långt senare...

Däremot hittade jag tillbaka till färgförändringen och kroking ryggrad (BENT SPINE) och swimbladder disease (flytproblem):

(Puregold siten)

COLOR CHANGES
Skin color lightens with stress, darkens with illness. Color is under the control of the neuroendocrine system, so loss of neurological control (like due to brain flukes AKA eye flukes) this leads to color changes in the skin.

Heavy slime coat also leads to a loss of color or darkening. Many GF are fed steroids while young to increase their size and make them "color up".. but when sold and not fed steroid containing food, they don't grow and lose color. They also get dropsy easily and other illnesses and don't live very long. Nutritional deficiencies, especially lack of vitamin C also leads to BENT SPINE and thinness.
Injuries can cause bent spine, as can stray electricity.

Så om du ser att din nya lilla GF har svårt att kämpa mot de större gällande maten kan du kanske göra vad jag har gjort med ett par utav de yngre 'barnen'. Jag tog en stor håv som jag fångade dem med vid mat tiderna och fodrade dem separat med pellets som jag ibland först lät suga upp vitamin droppar från JBL.

När min hona fick flyt problem - hon flöt lite vid ytan - fick hon också vara i en håv vid måltiderna i tre dagar (gav ingen mat) och sedan gav jag henne små mängder Vitakraft Premium Shrimp foder som är mycket tungt och sedan torkage mygglarver. Och det hjälpte. Det var antagligen ett nytt (flytande) foder som gav henne problem eller att hon var full utav ägg, som de beskriver här nedan.

Nu får de endast sjunkande foder eller så låter jag fodret blötläggas i ett par timmar(!) innan jag fodrar dem.

FLOATING PROBLEMS, SWIM BLADDER DISEASE
NEW THINKING ON FLOATING
Floating problems are complex. If it occurs only after feeding, see below.
Females full of eggs can have balance problems.
Dropping a fish can result in swim bladder damage.
Toxins can cause swim bladder problems.
Cranial kidney and floating
It can also be due to problems with regulation of the air bladder. This organ can be damaged by medications and treatments before you even bought your fish. One is "tranquilizers" put into the water when fish are shipped. The damage does not show up right away.

The primary cause of floating is feeding food that floats and/or too much food at one time. Soak the food and squeeze the air out so the food sinks. Best is to get high quality sinking food. Or, feed foods that sink, like grapenuts, rice, veggies, oatmeal. If feeding is only done once a day, feed at night, and all they can eat for 5 minutes. If twice a day, all they can eat in 3 minutes.

The other parameter here is temperature. Increasing the temp of the water seems to ease the floating problem. The activity of their digestive tract increases with increased temperature. However, increased oxygenation of the water must be done at the same time.

For a fish that is already floating, check the belly (see the 3 point physical). IF the fish is fine according to the 3 point check, or if the fish is constipated: The minimalist approach is to not feed the fish for 3 days and if it stops floating, then resume feeding but soaked/sinking food with more veggies like peas.

The more aggressive approach is to feed a pea with a crystal of epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) in it to the fish. Epsom salts is a purgative.

Even more aggressive is to do a salt dip on the fish. This purges the fish out. Ammonia levels must be watched carefully.

If this doesn't work, there is a procedure called the "Chinese Water" method. The fish is put into a tub and only enough water is added to just cover the back fin. The fish is not fed for 4 days. If the fish is upright, each day a little more water is added (the fish must be moved to fresh, aged water each day to move it away from ammonia accumulation). After 4 days, if the fish is upright in deeper water, then a couple peas can be fed. After that, gradually add a little more food.

Another cause of damage is toxins in the water. One of the most common is hydrogen sulfide produced by anaerobic bacteria that live in areas with low oxygen, like the gravel in tanks. GF are bottom feeders and will turn gravel over looking for food. I have seen a GF turn over a piece of gravel
and go into distress. Thought the GF had got the gravel caught in the mouth but gravel could not be seen. The fish displayed balance problems for quite a while. Chronic low levels of toxins with hydrogen sulfide can lead to persistent and finally permanent floating problems. This typically
occurs when the gravel is cleaned by siphoning and the crud gets mixed in the water. The gas is released during siphoning. H2S toxicity should be suspected when a fish shows balance problems during or right after cleaning gravel. Increasing oxygenation of the tank helps the low oxygen problem
somewhat.

Mvh,
cri

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